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Built 2 Scale

Founders Matt Perrott and Scott Wilcox on building high-growth startups at the edge of business, tech, AI, and robotics, from bootstrapped chaos to VC-backed scale.

48 episodes · 47 hours · since 2025

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Built 2 Scale is filed under startups, product development and hardware. Its most recent episode published on , so it is still actively publishing. Listeners have left 2 ratings on Apple Podcasts, averaging 3 out of 5.

Latest episodes

The 10 newest episodes of Built 2 Scale, each with a summary and chapters.

  • · 55m

    The Value of Human Cognition Is Going Negative. Build the Outcome Machine.

    Scott Wilcox and Matt Perrott of BuildPass discuss the shift from selling outputs to building 'outcome machines' that encode domain expertise into AI-native systems. They highlight the risks of unmanaged AI spending, citing a specific incident where an OpenRouter bill exploded due to uncapped API access, and discuss how Tesla's Cybercab and Model Y illustrate the convergence of software and hardware manufacturing. The conversation explores computational design, self-healing physical products, and the labor shortage in skilled trades, suggesting that companies must harness frontier technology to deliver reliable outcomes rather than relying on fragmented human cognition.

    Connected products & IoTAI & machine learning
    9 chapters

  • · 38m

    B2S Operators — Structured AI | The 3D QA Agent

    Raymond Zhao and Ben Remy of Structured AI explain how they are building an AI-native quality assurance layer for construction, using agents to read complex Revit models and 2D drawings to find design clashes and code violations. They discuss the technical challenge of managing context in large 'vector soups' of construction documents and the strategic decision to combine software engineers with domain experts to ensure agents understand engineering physics, not just syntax. The conversation covers their evolution from suggesting errors to executing isolated fixes in Revit, the difficulty of scaling a customizable product in a fragmented industry, and the future of agent-to-agent verification to manage hallucinations.

    AI & machine learningConnected products & IoT
    8 chapters

  • · 1h 01m

    Live for Your Drive

    Hosts Matt Perrott and Scott Wilcox discuss the economic shift from 'token maxing' to LLM routing as open-source models like Kimi close the gap on frontier labs. They explore the emerging HR challenges of employee token spend, the mobile nature of voice-based AI work, and BuildPass's upcoming Apple Watch integration for site defect walks. The episode also covers a 45-minute hackathon that produced 'Tinder for Talent' and the future of AI glasses in construction.

    AI & machine learningConnected products & IoT
    7 chapters

  • · 1h 00m

    The Master Builder Revival | How humans + Tokens spark a lost-crafts renaissance

    Matt Perrott of Build Pass and Scott Wilcox of Built 2 Scale discuss how Build Pass is evolving from a single construction management tool into a four-product operating system (Win, Pay, Build, Connect) to reduce administrative fragmentation for builders. They introduce Trady, a new platform designed to connect 1.3 million tradespeople, and demonstrate open-source Even Realities G2 smart glasses that provide real-time, voice-guided master craftsman assistance on site. The conversation emphasizes a 'human plus token' philosophy, where AI agents handle administrative tasks while skilled humans remain in the cockpit to make high-level judgments.

    Connected products & IoTAI & machine learning
    8 chapters

  • · 51m

    The Abundance Stack

    Matt Perrott, founder of construction company W and accelerator WVC, and Scott Wilcox, founder of software company Bill Pass, discuss the convergence of AI, robotics, and physical labor. They propose a 'world model' for business where AI acts as an intelligence layer, eliminating traditional management in favor of 'player-coach' roles. Perrott outlines a national strategy for Australia to solve the housing crisis by leveraging robotics, energy, and compute, while Wilcox shares insights on using AI coding tools like Codex Goals for autonomous task completion.

    AI & machine learningLeadership, teams & culture
    9 chapters

  • · 54m

    Skills vs Agents — The Stack Everyone's Getting Wrong

    Scott Wilcox, founder of W. Build, and Matt Perrott, co-founder of BuildPass, discuss their approach to integrating AI into construction operations, focusing on a framework called DMISA (Direction, Measure, Incentivize, Systemize, Automate). They detail a specific success where BuildPass reduced invoice processing costs from $5–$10 to half a cent using agents, and explain how W. Build is using its WVC accelerator to bring trade partners into this AI-enabled ecosystem. The conversation emphasizes that the new competitive moat is velocity and alignment, with 2026 being a critical year for choosing between legacy systems and AI-driven abundance.

    Connected products & IoTScaling production
    9 chapters

  • · 49m

    The Sims for Founders: What Agent-First Companies Actually Look Like

    Hosts Scott Wilcox and Matt Perrott discuss their collaboration between BuildPass and W, focusing on implementing agent-first workflows. Scott details using Paperclip to simulate an organization with CEO and employee agents, while Matt explains onboarding his entire company onto Claude to capture institutional knowledge. They discuss the strategic shift from general software to vertical, industry-specific solutions in construction, leveraging tools like Replit and Notebook LM to accelerate development and customer intimacy.

    AI & machine learningStarting a product company
    7 chapters

  • · 50m

    Elon's Limiting Factor Philosophy, AI Turning Noise Into Signal & The FebFast Business Sprint

    Founders Matt Perrott of BuildPass and Scott Wilcox discuss applying Elon Musk's 'limiting factor' philosophy to their businesses, identifying distribution as BuildPass's primary bottleneck and demand as BuildPass's secondary focus. They detail their use of AI agents, specifically an OpenAI bot named 'Tez' and customer-facing tools, to automate knowledge management, extract signal from noise in customer communications, and build organizational memory. The conversation covers the 'FebFast' sprint methodology for focused business growth, the paradox of intelligent people resisting AI due to ego, and strategies for over-communicating in public channels to create a searchable knowledge base.

    AI & machine learningLeadership, teams & culture
    8 chapters

  • · 13m

    Tool of the Week Segment | Episode 35

    Hosts Matt Perrott and Scott Wilcox discuss 'Consumecute,' a workflow that exports Apple Podcast history to ChatGPT for takeaways, which are then pushed to Monday.com to build personalized AI training data. Scotty demonstrates condensing 110 Audible books into a single operational formula: 'A system is an incentive structure pointed at an outcome,' used to align business vision with automation. The episode emphasizes connecting consumption tools with productivity platforms like Notion and Teams to turn mindless scrolling into active execution and guilt-free learning.

    Connected products & IoTAI & machine learning
    6 chapters

  • · 1h 05m

    The Delegation Era: AI as an Operator, Not a Tool

    Hosts Matt Perrott and Scott Wilcox discuss the rapid rise of OpenClaw (formerly Claude Bot), an open-source agent wrapping Claude Code that has gained 150,000 GitHub stars in two weeks, sparking security concerns about autonomous agents accessing credit cards and personal data. They analyze the competitive landscape, noting Claude's enterprise dominance via tools like Claude Code and Claude Cowork, while OpenAI counters with its new Codex desktop app, leading the hosts to recommend businesses go 'all in' on a single platform. The episode covers the $1.8 trillion SpaceX-XAI merger, the potential for Tesla to acquire these assets, and Australia's strategic opportunity to leverage its critical minerals and solar capacity to attract hyperscalers for free energy and compute.

    Connected products & IoTMicrocontrollers & dev platforms
    7 chapters

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