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Lights Out

MakingChips' show on automating machine shops, from robots and pallet systems to machine monitoring and the data needed to run CNC production unattended.

53 episodes · 41 hours · since 2024

Lights Out is filed under manufacturing, supply chain & operations, mechanical and interviews. Its most recent episode published on , so it is still actively publishing. Listeners have left 4 ratings on Apple Podcasts, averaging 5 out of 5.

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  • · 53m

    The 20-Hour Machine: Automation, Throughput & Smarter Capacity Planning, Ep #42

    Mike Padilla, founder of Hill Manufacturing, and Nick Golner of Making Chips discuss how Hill is using automation and strategic capital expenditure planning to scale capacity without simply adding headcount. They detail the concept of the '20-hour machine,' explaining that realistic unattended runtime targets must account for tooling and setups, and how integrating machine monitoring with tool life optimization prevents costly crashes during lights-out operations. The conversation highlights how automation frees skilled machinists from 'doorman' tasks to focus on higher-value work, while also emphasizing the critical importance of vendor service support and calculating the true cost of downtime when making equipment investments.

  • · 52m

    Your Machines Have a Heartbeat: Here's What It's Telling You | Ep #48

    Lauren Dunford, co-founder and CEO of Guidewheel, explains how their platform uses current transformers on power cords to monitor machine electrical heartbeats, providing non-invasive visibility into run, idle, and down states without PLC integration. She details how this data enables cycle counting, anomaly detection, and predictive maintenance, while emphasizing a philosophy of using data to empower teams rather than surveil them. Dunford shares origin stories from her food manufacturing background and describes how customer feedback shaped Guidewheel’s API-first approach, allowing partners like Slytek to layer industry-specific depth onto their broad platform.

  • · 1h 03m

    Hybrid Manufacturing: Why Additive vs. Subtractive Is the Wrong Debate, Ep #34

    Dr. Jason Jones, CEO and founder of Hybrid Manufacturing Technologies, explains that hybrid manufacturing integrates metal 3D printing, CNC machining, and in-process inspection into a single digitally controlled workflow to eliminate handoffs and improve efficiency. He argues that the industry's focus on the 'additive vs. subtractive' debate is misguided, as the real value lies in combining these processes for applications like aerospace blade repair and late-stage configuration. Jones details how integrating inspection technologies like ultrasound and eddy current directly into the machine reduces validation barriers and accelerates adoption by providing immediate quality feedback. The discussion covers cost ranges, implementation strategies, and the importance of partnerships in helping shops transition from traditional machining to hybrid workflows.

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  • · 52m

    Automation, Machining, and a Coal Mine: What Vertical Integration Buys You | Ep. 51

    Michael McHale, founder of PSA Systems, explains how his vertically integrated automation integrator and machine shop in Pennsylvania grew from $900,000 in revenue to over $30 million by owning fabrication, machining, and engineering capabilities in-house. He discusses the capital-intensive nature of modern manufacturing, citing an $800,000 five-axis mill that cost nearly a million to install, and advocates for a five-year strategic plan over short-term EBITDA chasing. McHale also details PSA's rollout of IBM Watson for enterprise AI workflow automation, emphasizing the need for data guardrails when handling Department of Defense contracts, and shares his philosophy that employee prosperity is the true measure of business success.

  • · 52m

    The $5 Automation Project Hiding in Your Shop | Ep. 50

    Uriel Eisen, founder of Arda and Austere Manufacturing, explains how he doubled throughput in his 325-square-foot shop by implementing Kanban and lean principles rather than buying robots. He details the transition from index cards to his software platform, Arda, to solve inventory stockouts that were derailing production. Eisen discusses the hidden costs of micro-interruptions, the importance of reliability over cycle time, and how reducing friction in processes like tooling and ordering yields faster ROI than expensive automation.

  • · 52m

    Zero Setup Time: Inside Norbert Kempf CNC-Technik GmbH's 23-Machine Automated Shop | Ep. 49

    Stefan Kempf, owner of Norbert Kempf CNC-Technik, explains how he transformed his father's 1970 turning shop into a 23-machine automated facility with zero setup time and over 90% utilization. Risto Niemi of Fastems and Yanick Müller of swissMODULAR discuss the critical roles of standardized tooling, flexible work holding, and long-term strategic planning in achieving this level of automation. The episode highlights the 'monoculture' of machines, the central tool system (CTS) with Fanuc robots, and a unique company-wide bonus system tied to daily machine utilization.

  • · 49m

    You Can't Automate What You Can't Find: RTLS and the Data Foundation for Lights-Out | Ep. 47

    Mitch Tucker of HID explains how Real-Time Location Systems (RTLS) provide the data foundation necessary for lights-out manufacturing and Industry 5.0. He argues that shops must first standardize processes through Gemba walks and 5S before implementing RTLS to solve the costly problem of 'tribal knowledge' and search time. The discussion covers scaling from simple RFID to ultra-wideband, using location data for safety and digital twins, and the ethical considerations of worker tracking.

  • · 52m

    Inside Conexus Indiana: The Industry Network Driving Manufacturing Tech and Talent | Ep. 46

    Bryce Carpenter, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating and Strategy Officer at Conexus Indiana, explains how this industry-led nonprofit facilitates collaboration among 126 manufacturing, logistics, academic, and public sector partners to drive workforce development and technology adoption. He details the evolution of the industry from viewing automation as an enemy to embracing it as a necessity, highlighting a specific case where automating hated palletizing jobs improved retention. The episode also covers the Manufacturing Readiness Grants program, which has supported over 700 small and midsize shops, and success stories like FiberX and Arcamed, illustrating how strategic peer learning and targeted investments accelerate growth.

  • · 59m

    Don't Automate Chaos: Running Lights Out with Sarah Wierman of Fastems, Ep #45

    Sarah Wierman of Fastems explains why automation is driven by labor shortages and retirements rather than just replacing people, and why shops must standardize processes before automating. She describes Fastems as a production orchestration company whose core product is the MMS software, which plans, runs, and monitors production, including predictive tool life alerts up to 96 hours in advance. Wierman emphasizes that repeatable workholding is the foundation of any automation strategy and advises shop owners to document practices and track downtime to avoid automating chaos.

  • · 59m

    You Don't Have a Capacity Problem — You Have a Visibility Problem, Ep #44

    Brian Anderson, Solutions Architect at ProShop ERP, explains that machine shops often mistake visibility problems for capacity issues, leading to misguided investments in staff or equipment. He details how ProShop ERP provides end-to-end visibility through features like contract review and digital work instructions, allowing shops to identify root causes like shipping errors or poor tool life management. Anderson advocates for using data to optimize utilization—such as splitting jobs for unattended roughing—rather than simply adding headcount, emphasizing that small, continuous improvements compound to solve systemic bottlenecks.

  • · 1h 00m

    Before You Buy Another Spindle, Use the Ones You Have, #43

    Walt Swenton, Senior Manager of Advanced Manufacturing at Eaton, explains why shops must solve problems with data before buying new CNC equipment. He outlines a three-level OEE strategy, starting with basic machine monitoring to identify idle time, then adding operator context, and finally leveraging advanced data for AI-driven insights. Swenton emphasizes that standardized, digitized tool management via ZOLLER systems is the critical foundation for any smart factory or automation initiative.

  • · 52m

    Lights Out Lenses: Engineering, Quality & the Leadership Behind Automation (Part 2), Ep #41

    Forrest Vaught, Director of Engineering & Programming at Advanced Machine & Fabricating, explains how standardization of tooling, fixturing, and programs is critical for successful automation in high-mix, low-volume environments. He details the logic of the FASTEMS 'Pistol Pete' system, which optimizes pallet selection based on tool life and due dates, and discusses the bottlenecks of feeding the system. Owner Scott Shortess reflects on the financial risks, the humility required to admit weak leadership, and how benchmarking in Europe exposed the need for automation to improve both throughput and employee quality of life.

Every episode

53 episodes with a summary and chapters, by year.

202620 episodes
  1. 9 OctAutomation, Machining, and a Coal Mine: What Vertical Integration Buys YouEp. 5152m
  2. 25 SeptThe $5 Automation Project Hiding in Your ShopEp. 5052m
  3. 11 SeptZero Setup Time: Inside Norbert Kempf CNC-Technik GmbH's 23-Machine Automated ShopEp. 4952m
  4. 28 AugYour Machines Have a Heartbeat: Here's What It's Telling YouEp #4852m
  5. 14 AugYou Can't Automate What You Can't Find: RTLS and the Data Foundation for Lights-OutEp. 4749m
  6. 31 JulInside Conexus Indiana: The Industry Network Driving Manufacturing Tech and TalentEp. 4652m
  7. 17 JulDon't Automate Chaos: Running Lights Out with Sarah Wierman of Fastems, Ep #4559m
  8. 3 JulYou Don't Have a Capacity Problem — You Have a Visibility Problem, Ep #4459m
  9. 19 JunBefore You Buy Another Spindle, Use the Ones You Have, #431h 00m
  10. 5 JunThe 20-Hour Machine: Automation, Throughput & Smarter Capacity Planning, Ep #4253m
  11. 22 MayLights Out Lenses: Engineering, Quality & the Leadership Behind Automation (Part 2), Ep #4152m
  12. 8 MayLights Out Lenses: Inside an Automation Journey from the Operations & Production Frontlines, Ep #4046m
  13. 24 AprDIY Automation That Actually Works: How One 80-Person Shop Cracked High-Mix Lights-Out Manufacturing, Ep #3954m
  14. 10 AprLights Out, Level Up: Inside Imago's Next Phase of Automation and Time Freedom, Ep #3847m
  15. 27 MarAdditive Manufacturing on the Shop Floor: Hype, Reality, and Where It Actually Works, Ep #3752m
  16. 13 MarLights Out Jeopardy: Additive, Automation, and Absolute Chaos, Ep #3653m
  17. 27 FebWho Killed the Cobot Dream? The Truth About Collaborative Robots, Ep #3541m
  18. 13 FebHybrid Manufacturing: Why Additive vs. Subtractive Is the Wrong Debate, Ep #341h 03m
  19. 30 JanLights Out at 20: Inside a One-Man, Multi-Axis Machine Shop with Michael King, Ep #3352m
  20. 16 JanFrom ROI to Reality — Measuring Success After You Automate, Ep #3238m
202522 episodes
  1. 26 DecHow to Calculate Automation ROI — The Right Way, Ep #3131m
  2. 12 DecThe Automation Adoption Boom: Why ROI is the 2026 Metric That Matters, Ep #3039m
  3. 28 NovFacing the Future: Automation Truths from 40 Years on the Shop Floor with Mike Gamache, Ep #291h 02m
  4. 14 NovFrom SWAT to Spindles: How Johnny Goode Led MSP Manufacturing's Lights-Out Transformation, Ep #2856m
  5. 31 OctThe Real Takeaways from EMO: Monitoring, AI, and the Changing Face of Automation, Ep #2745m
  6. 17 OctCoached—Not Just Monitored: How the Best Shops Turn Data into Action, Ep #2642m
  7. 26 SeptAdaptive Over Aggressive: Redefining Lights-Out Manufacturing with Camoren Schley, Ep #2554m
  8. 12 SeptFrom Fixed to Mixed: Mindset Shifts That Power Lights-Out Manufacturing, Ep #2442m
  9. 29 AugCarrying the Legacy Forward: Yuto Matsuura on Family, Precision, and the Future of Automation, Ep #2352m
  10. 15 AugThe Automation Trap: Turning Struggle into a Lean Legacy, Ep #2240m
  11. 1 AugThe Automation Trap: Saving a Shop with Systems, Not Spindles, Ep #2141m
  12. 18 JulThe Connected Advantage: Solving Real Problems with Hexagon's Digital Workforce, Ep #2042m
  13. 4 JulThe Automation Trap: One Shop's Hard Lesson in Lean Thinking, Ep #1942m
  14. 20 JunThe Automation Trap: Why Automating Chaos Won't Save You, Ep #1847m
  15. 6 JunDimming the Lights: How to Build a Shop Ready for Automation, Ep #1744m
  16. 25 AprIs Coaching the Key to Lights-Out Success? Ep #1653m
  17. 19 AprThe Quiet Cut That's Loudly Threatening Small Manufacturing35m
  18. 11 AprThe Juice-to-Squeeze Ratio: Why Time Freedom Isn't Optional for Shop Owners, Ep #1547m
  19. 28 MarAutomation: The Key to Time Freedom in Machining, Ep #1441m
  20. 26 FebThe AI Revolution: Rethinking Automation with Al Whatmough, Ep #1338m
  21. 5 FebMake the Right Chips, Do the Right Work, Ep #1239m
  22. 22 JanThe Throughput Mindset: How Automation and Culture Drive Success, Ep #1148m
202411 episodes
  1. 11 DecBusiness Moves at the Speed of Trust with Wade Anderson, Ep #1039m
  2. 20 NovA Samurai's Journey to Automation, Ep #546m
  3. 20 NovAre You Even Prepared to Run a Lights Out Shop? Ep #841m
  4. 20 NovAutomation 101 with Chris Luecke Manufacturing Happy Hour, Ep #248m
  5. 20 NovChip and Coolant Management for Machining Automation with Blaser Swisslube and Hennig, Ep #940m
  6. 20 NovConnecting Advanced Machining Strategies to Business Results Part 128m
  7. 20 NovConnecting Advanced Machining Strategies to Business Results Part 226m
  8. 20 NovHow a Prototyping Shop is Shattering the Status Quo with Automation, Ep #345m
  9. 20 NovHow to Prioritize Flexibility when You Invest in Automation, Ep #436m
  10. 20 NovTraining Machinists with an Automation Mindset with Titan Gilroy, Ep #139m
  11. 17 SeptLights Out Intro57s

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