Episode 105: Sanity Check on Custom ASICS?

The Circuit · 17 Feb 2025 · 41m · Episode 106

What this episode covers

Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg discuss the debate between custom ASICs and GPUs in AI compute, arguing that GPUs retain significant value due to software flexibility and installed base. They analyze the uneven maturity of hyperscaler silicon efforts, noting Google's TPU success versus the struggles of Amazon's Trainium and Meta's MTIA. The conversation then shifts to analog semiconductors, highlighting their critical role in humanoid robotics and data center power management, with specific mentions of Infineon's inventory buildup linked to NVIDIA's Blackwell.

Mentioned

Companies
NVIDIA, AMD, Google, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Intel, Texas Instruments, Infineon, NXP, Analog Devices, Deep Seek
Products
TPU, Trainium, Inferentia, MTIA, Maia, Blackwell, CUDA, PyTorch

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