# 014 - Ferrycast

- Show: [Unnamed Reverse Engineering Podcast](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast)
- Published: 2018-07-10
- Length: 40m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast
- Listen: https://unnamedre.com/episode/14

## Summary

Joe Grand, founder of Grand Idea Studio and Dangerous Prototypes, discusses his history with the L0pht and his mission to empower hardware hackers through open-source tools. He details the JTAGulator, a device designed to automatically determine JTAG pinouts, and explains how it integrates with software like OpenOCD and UrJTAG. Grand also covers PCB reverse engineering services, comparing destructive delayering in China with non-destructive CT scanning, and highlights the growing industry demand for reverse engineers in automotive and aerospace sectors.

## Chapters

- [0:28](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=28) Introduction: ToorCamp and Joe Grand's Background
- [7:18](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=438) DEFCON Badges and Open Source Hardware Philosophy
- [10:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=615) Essential Tools: Saleae, Xeltek, and the JTAGulator
- [14:44](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=884) JTAGulator Functionality: Pinout Detection and Console Access
- [18:55](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=1135) PCB Reverse Engineering: Delayering, X-Ray, and CT Scanning
- [28:50](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=1730) Commercial PCB RE Services: China vs. India and DirtyPCBs
- [31:14](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2018-07-10-014-ferrycast#t=1874) Chip-Level Services: Decapping, FIB, and Industry Demand

## Topics

- [Debugging & failure analysis](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/debugging-and-failure-analysis)
- [PCB design & layout](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pcb-design)
- [Microcontrollers & dev platforms](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/microcontrollers-and-platforms)
- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)
- [Chips, FPGAs & semiconductors](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/chips-and-fpgas)
- [Sourcing & supply chain](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/sourcing-and-supply-chain)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Saleae (tool)
- Bus Pirate (tool)
- Xeltek (tool)
- JTAGulator (tool)
- BusBlaster (tool)
- UrJTAG (tool)
- OpenOCD (tool)
- JDEC (other)
- Grand Idea Studio (company)
- Dangerous Prototypes (company)
- DirtyPCBs (company)
- Texplained (company)
- PCB-RE (product)

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- [New Life Skills with Joe Grand](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-01-31-new-life-skills-with-joe-grand) (The Amp Hour)
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