# 69: Nice

- Show: [Thoroughly Considered](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered)
- Published: 2021-05-05
- Length: 1h 07m
- Episode: 69
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice
- Listen: http://relay.fm/tc/69

## Summary

Tom Gerhardt and Dan Provost of Studio Neat discuss the manufacturing delays of their Mark Two pen, caused by a steel supplier's error resulting in corrosion and machining mistakes on the sleeve. They also detail the rapid prototyping of a new stand for the thick Apple TV remote using 3D models extracted from Apple's AR experience. The hosts then analyze the design of the new iMac, speculating on the future iMac Pro and debating whether iOS and macOS are converging into a single platform.

## Chapters

- [0:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=8) Introduction: Mark Two Pen Delays
- [1:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=68) Steel Supplier Error and Corrosion Issues
- [8:32](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=512) Machining Errors and Production Reset
- [16:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=980) Managing Manufacturer Relationships and Stress
- [28:22](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=1702) Prototyping the Apple TV Remote Stand
- [33:42](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=2022) Apple TV Remote Design and History
- [43:03](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=2583) New iMac Design and iMac Pro Predictions
- [1:00:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/thoroughly-considered/2021-05-05-69-nice#t=3615) iOS and macOS Convergence Debate

## Topics

- [Manufacturing partners & offshoring](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/manufacturing-partners)
- [Prototyping & iteration](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/prototyping)
- [Industrial & consumer product design](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/industrial-design)
- [Pricing, margins & unit economics](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pricing-and-unit-economics)

## Most relevant to

companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- Studio Neat (company)
- Mark Two (product)
- Apple TV Remote (product)
- iMac (product)
- iMac Pro (product)
- Pro Display XDR (product)
- Xcode (tool)
- 3D print one (tool)

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