# Crossover with Mob Mentailty Part 2

- Show: [The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast)
- Published: 2025-10-21
- Length: 46m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2
- Listen: https://agileembeddedpodcast.com/episodes/crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2-hvBoY95c

## Summary

Austin Chadwick and Chris Lucian, hosts of the Mob Mentality podcast, explain how mob programming applies to embedded systems by involving firmware and hardware engineers in collaborative coding sessions. They argue that mobbing reduces the feedback loop from days to minutes, addressing the 'local vs global efficiency' objection by prioritizing continuous delivery and high-quality code over short-term solo productivity. The guests detail how they sell this approach to management through trust built by frequent production releases, dynamic team composition, and automated testing infrastructure that bridges waterfall hardware gates with agile software delivery.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=0) Introduction: Austin Chadwick and Chris Lucian on Mob Mentality
- [4:57](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=297) Cross-disciplinary mobbing with firmware and hardware engineers
- [11:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=680) Addressing efficiency objections: Local vs global optimization
- [18:59](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=1139) Selling mob programming to management through continuous delivery
- [28:33](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=1713) Dynamic team composition and the law of personal mobility
- [34:10](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=2050) Coordinating mob teams with waterfall processes and hardware gates
- [40:54](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-21-crossover-with-mob-mentailty-part-2#t=2454) Automated firmware protocol documentation and testing infrastructure

## Topics

- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Scaling production](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/scaling-production)
- [Validation & product-market fit](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/validation-and-product-market-fit)

## Most relevant to

companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- Mob Mentality (other)
- Hunter (company)
- Kent Beck (other)
- Amy Edmondson (other)
- Joe Justice (other)
- BMW (company)

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