# Crossover with Mob Mentality part 1

- Show: [The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast)
- Published: 2025-10-16
- Length: 48m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1
- Listen: https://agileembeddedpodcast.com/episodes/crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1-Plprv5h6

## Summary

Jeff Gable and Luca Johnny of the Agile Embedded Podcast join Chris Lucian and Austin Chadwick of the Mob Mentality Show to discuss bridging hardware-software gaps in embedded systems. They argue that hardware abstraction layers and decoupling strategies allow embedded code to be tested on PCs, while mob programming eliminates silos between electrical, mechanical, and software engineers. The group highlights how mobbing improves flow efficiency and reduces documentation overhead in safety-critical medical device development by integrating all necessary roles into a single team.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=0) Introduction: Agile Embedded and Mob Mentality Podcasts Crossover
- [3:19](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=199) Hardware-Software Coupling and Decoupling Strategies
- [8:40](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=520) Documentation Overhead in Safety-Critical Medical Devices
- [12:04](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=724) Breaking Down Silos Between Engineering Disciplines
- [16:31](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=991) Introduction to Mob Programming and Flow Efficiency
- [22:17](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=1337) Optimal Mob Sizes and Team Organization
- [27:31](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=1651) Inverse Conway Maneuver and Architectural Alignment
- [35:31](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2025-10-16-crossover-with-mob-mentality-part-1#t=2131) Getting Started with Mob Programming Resources

## Topics

- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Mechanical engineering](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/mechanical-engineering)
- [PCB design & layout](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pcb-design)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies, companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- Agile Embedded Podcast (other)
- Mob Mentality Show (other)
- D-Wave (other)
- Bob Martin (other)
- Ryan Torvik (other)

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- [103: Tentacles Of the Kraken](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2015-06-03-103-tentacles-of-the-kraken) (Embedded.fm)
- [30: Eventually Lightning Strikes (Repeat)](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2016-11-30-30-eventually-lightning-strikes-repeat) (Embedded.fm)
- [270: Broccoli Is Good Too](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2018-12-14-270-broccoli-is-good-too) (Embedded.fm)
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