# Team Topologies

- Show: [The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast)
- Published: 2024-03-22
- Length: 42m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies
- Listen: https://agileembeddedpodcast.com/episodes/team-topologies-dLRIajR_

## Summary

Hosts Jeff Gable and Luca Torvik discuss the 'Team Topologies' framework by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais, explaining how it applies to embedded product development. They define the four team types—stream-aligned, platform, enabling, and complicated subsystem—and three interaction modes—excessive service, facilitating, and collaboration—to help organizations optimize Conway's Law and reduce parasitic communication. The hosts also critique common anti-patterns like siloed departments and bureaucratic approval processes that hinder speed and quality in medical device and hardware companies.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies#t=0) Conway's Law and Organizational Structure
- [4:34](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies#t=274) Stream-Aligned and Platform Teams
- [11:13](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies#t=673) Enabling and Complicated Subsystem Teams
- [14:33](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies#t=873) Interaction Modes: Excessive Service and Collaboration
- [23:24](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies#t=1404) Anti-Patterns: Silos and Bureaucracy
- [31:46](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-03-22-team-topologies#t=1906) Audience Engagement and Contact Info

## Topics

- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)

## Most relevant to

companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- Team Topologies (other)
- Matthew Skelton (other)
- Manuel Pais (other)
- Netflix (company)
- FDA (other)
- IBM (company)

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