# 167. How Hydrogen Will Replace Batteries

- Show: [The Next Byte Podcast](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast)
- Published: 2024-03-26
- Length: 20m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-03-26-167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries
- Listen: https://the-next-byte-wevolver.simplecast.com/episodes/167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries-TDd1DVDe

## Summary

Daniel and Forbode discuss research from EPFL on using ammonia as a stable carrier for hydrogen, addressing the storage and transport challenges of pure hydrogen. They highlight a new catalyst developed by an EPFL researcher that reduces cracking costs by 200 times, potentially making hydrogen fuel cells viable for large-scale applications like semi-trucks. The hosts compare energy density and return on energy invested for lithium-ion batteries, liquefied hydrogen, and ammonia, concluding that ammonia offers superior storage efficiency and lower loss rates.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-03-26-167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries#t=0) Introduction: Hydrogen, Ammonia, and Clean Energy
- [1:57](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-03-26-167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries#t=117) The Problem with Hydrogen Storage and Transport
- [4:22](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-03-26-167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries#t=262) Ammonia as a Hydrogen Carrier: Energy Density and Stability
- [7:19](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-03-26-167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries#t=439) EPFL Research: New Catalyst and Cost Reduction
- [15:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-03-26-167-how-hydrogen-will-replace-batteries#t=916) Energy Return on Investment and Market Potential

## Topics

- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)
- [Materials & manufacturing processes](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/materials-and-processes)
- [Batteries & low-power design](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/batteries-and-low-power)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Mouser Electronics (company)
- Toyota (company)
- EPFL (company)
- Wevolver (company)

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