# Industry 4.0 is now Industry 4.5 w/ Justin Goldston

- Show: [The Manufacturing Executive](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive)
- Published: 2021-01-05
- Length: 21m
- Episode: 30
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston
- Listen: https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-manufacturing-executive#episode-a77a51bd-ab02-42b9-9099-be907a4906d3

## Summary

Joe Sullivan interviews Justin Goldston, PhD, a professor at Penn State University, about the evolution from Industry 4.0 to Industry 4.5, emphasizing the critical role of artificial intelligence and machine learning in modern manufacturing. Goldston argues that AI is 'augmented intelligence' that assists rather than replaces workers, helping to address labor shortages and improve safety through technologies like drones. He advises manufacturers to first ensure data accuracy and assess their digital maturity before implementing AI, noting that major ERP providers like SAP and Oracle are already integrating these capabilities.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=0) Introduction: Justin Goldston and Industry 4.5
- [4:54](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=294) The Impact of the Pandemic on Supply Chain and Technology
- [6:56](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=416) Defining Industry 4.5: AI, Machine Learning, and Blockchain
- [9:38](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=578) AI as Augmented Intelligence and Workforce Impact
- [12:31](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=751) Addressing Labor Shortages and Safety with Automation
- [15:53](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=953) Steps for Implementation: Data, Maturity, and Roadmaps
- [18:14](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-manufacturing-executive/2021-01-05-industry-4-0-is-now-industry-4-5-w-justin-goldston#t=1094) Resources for Learning and Future Books

## Topics

- [AI & machine learning](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/ai-and-machine-learning)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Hiring & workforce](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/hiring-and-workforce)
- [Scaling production](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/scaling-production)

## Most relevant to

established companies

## Mentioned

- Penn State University (company)
- Penn State Sustainability Institute (company)
- Georgetown University (company)
- Texas A&M University (company)
- SAP (company)
- Oracle (company)
- Home Depot (company)
- Lowe's (company)

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