# EP 192: Talking Apple Silicon with Apple's Tom Boger, Kaiann Drance, and Sri Santhanam

- Show: [The Circuit](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit)
- Published: 2026-09-15
- Length: 30m
- Episode: 185
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan
- Listen: https://share.transistor.fm/s/45240ea3

## Summary

Tom Boger, Kaiann Drance, and Sri Santhanam from Apple discuss the transition to 2-nanometer process technology across the A20 Pro and M-series chips, highlighting the shift to a dual neural engine and unified memory architecture. They explain how vertical integration allows Apple to optimize packaging, such as moving DRAM off the SoC to improve thermal management and sustained performance for AI workloads and gaming. The panel also details the implementation of the Secure Enclave and Secure Exclave to handle computationally expensive cybersecurity tasks and protect sensitive data at the silicon level.

## Chapters

- [0:05](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=5) Introduction: Apple's Tom Boger, Kaiann Drance, and Sri Santhanam
- [2:22](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=142) 2-Nanometer Process and Vertical Integration Benefits
- [5:10](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=310) Thermal Management and Sustained Performance in iPhone and Mac
- [9:19](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=559) Packaging Innovations: MCM and Vapor Chamber Integration
- [14:35](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=875) Dual Neural Engine and Core AI Framework
- [18:47](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=1127) Developer Opportunities and Edge AI Capabilities
- [22:10](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=1330) On-Device AI, Private Cloud Compute, and Privacy
- [24:38](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-circuit/2026-09-15-ep-192-talking-apple-silicon-with-apples-tom-boger-kaiann-drance-and-sri-santhan#t=1478) Security Architecture: Secure Enclave and Secure Exclave

## Topics

- [Microcontrollers & dev platforms](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/microcontrollers-and-platforms)
- [AI & machine learning](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/ai-and-machine-learning)
- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)
- [Mechanical engineering](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/mechanical-engineering)
- [PCB design & layout](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pcb-design)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- Apple (company)
- A20 Pro (chip)
- M-series (chip)
- M1 Ultra (chip)
- M6 (chip)
- M5 Ultra (chip)
- S11 (chip)
- iPhone 18 Pro (product)
- iPhone Duo (product)
- Mac mini (product)
- Mac Studio (product)
- Siri AI (product)
- Core AI (tool)
- Secure Enclave (chip)
- Secure Exclave (chip)

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