# The CAN bus can! with Dr Ken Tindell

- Show: [The Amp Hour](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour)
- Published: 2023-05-30
- Length: 1h 08m
- Episode: 634
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell
- Listen: https://theamphour.com/634-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell/

## Summary

Dr. Ken Tindell, CTO of Canis Automotive Labs, explains the CAN bus protocol, its history with Bosch, and its modern application in automotive security. He details how thieves use disguised JBL Bluetooth speakers containing PIC microcontrollers to inject commands and steal vehicles by bypassing safety mechanisms. The discussion covers the technical differences between CAN, LIN, and emerging standards like CAN FD and CAN XL, as well as the challenges of securing these networks against spoofing. Tindell also addresses the complexity of automotive software, gateway implementations, and the realistic timeline for autonomous driving capabilities.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=0) Introduction: Dr. Ken Tindell and Canis Automotive Labs
- [2:26](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=146) Disguised Theft Devices: JBL Speakers and CAN Injection
- [6:34](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=394) CAN Bus History, Multiplexing, and LIN Bus
- [14:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=860) CAN Protocol Mechanics: Arbitration and Priority
- [21:23](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=1283) CAN HD, Bandwidth, and Network Partitioning
- [29:31](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=1771) Gateway Implementation, Atomicity, and Security Flaws
- [41:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=2476) DBC Files, Diagnostics, and Industry Standards
- [51:39](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=3099) CAN FD, CAN XL, and Future Encryption
- [1:05:57](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2023-05-30-the-can-bus-can-with-dr-ken-tindell#t=3957) Autonomous Driving Challenges and Corner Cases

## Topics

- [Wireless & RF](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/wireless-and-rf)
- [Microcontrollers & dev platforms](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/microcontrollers-and-platforms)
- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)
- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Chips, FPGAs & semiconductors](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/chips-and-fpgas)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Canis Automotive Labs (company)
- Bosch (company)
- JBL (product)
- PIC-18F (chip)
- Volvo (company)
- Freescale (company)
- NXP (company)
- S32K (chip)
- AutoSAR (other)
- CAN HD (other)
- CAN FD (other)
- CAN XL (other)
- Wireshark (tool)

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