# Vapor Phase with Saber Kaygusuz

- Show: [The Amp Hour](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour)
- Published: 2022-11-08
- Length: 1h 07m
- Episode: 608
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz
- Listen: https://theamphour.com/608-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz/

## Summary

Chris Gammell, CEO of PCB Arts, discusses the company's two main products: the EdgeKit, a modular NVIDIA Jetson carrier board for software engineers, and the Vapor Phase One, an open-source vapor phase soldering oven. He explains the business challenges of running a small German engineering firm, including cash flow constraints from long lead times for components and the high cost of US certification. Gammell details the technical advantages of vapor phase soldering using Galden fluid for reliable prototyping and the importance of their web configurator for the EdgeKit.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz#t=0) Introduction and EdgeKit Overview
- [4:19](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz#t=259) EdgeKit Design and Web Configurator
- [19:10](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz#t=1150) Business Model and Team Structure
- [33:13](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz#t=1993) Vapor Phase One Technology and Galden
- [42:12](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz#t=2532) Certification Challenges and Pricing
- [1:01:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-11-08-vapor-phase-with-saber-kaygusuz#t=3680) Future Plans and Embedded World

## Topics

- [PCB design & layout](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pcb-design)
- [Materials & manufacturing processes](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/materials-and-processes)
- [Pricing, margins & unit economics](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pricing-and-unit-economics)
- [Certification & compliance](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/certification-and-compliance)
- [Direct-to-consumer & e-commerce](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/direct-to-consumer)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- PCB Arts (company)
- EdgeKit (product)
- Vapor Phase One (product)
- NVIDIA Jetson (chip)
- Galden (material)
- Solvay (company)
- Embedded World (other)
- Crowd Supply (company)
- Mouser Electronics (company)

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