# STL329: The 1-3-7 Rule

- Show: [Shop Talk Live](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live)
- Published: 2024-11-15
- Length: 1h 00m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule
- Listen: https://shoptalklive.podcast.static.taunton.com/stl329-the-1-3-7-rule

## Summary

Kate Swann, director of the Florida School of Woodworking, and Morgan Grove, a research scientist with the USDA Forest Service, discuss the value of woodworking education and community. They explore the '1-3-7 Rule' for teaching dynamics, the distinction between acquiring knowledge and building skills, and the importance of intergenerational mentorship. The conversation highlights how schools and maker spaces empower individuals with 'wood sovereignty' and practical craftsmanship in an increasingly digital world.

## Chapters

- [0:07](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=7) Introduction: Texas Woodworking Festival and New Tools
- [7:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=435) Guest Introductions: Kate Swann and Morgan Grove
- [14:28](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=868) The Value of Community and One-Week Apprenticeships
- [25:53](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=1553) Knowledge vs. Skills and the Necessity of Failure
- [30:45](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=1845) Qualities of Good Students, Teachers, and Schools
- [41:13](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=2473) The 1-3-7 Rule for Teaching Class Sizes
- [50:32](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=3032) Advice for Intermediate/Advanced Students and Safety
- [56:10](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/shop-talk-live/2024-11-15-stl329-the-1-3-7-rule#t=3370) Wood Sovereignty, Maker Spaces, and Community Empowerment

## Topics

- [Maker community & events](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/maker-community)
- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)
- [Starting a product company](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/starting-a-company)

## Most relevant to

established companies

## Mentioned

- Mullet Tools (company)
- Iron Bark (product)
- Heart with Tools (company)
- Florida School of Woodworking (company)
- USDA Forest Service (company)
- Tailor (company)
- Room and Board (company)
- Melbourne Tool Company (company)

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