# 232 - Talking COP28 and Climate Science with, you know, a climate scientist! Roger Pielke, Jr

- Show: [People of Packaging](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging)
- Published: 2023-12-07
- Length: 38m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi
- Listen: https://encase.substack.com/p/231-talking-cop28-and-climate-science

## Summary

Roger Pielke Jr., a professor of environmental studies at CU Boulder, discusses the current state of climate science and decarbonization strategies following COP28. He explains that while carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels remain the primary driver of climate change, the world is shifting away from the extreme RCP 8.5 scenario toward more moderate projections like RCP 4.5. Pielke emphasizes that coal is the 'low hanging fruit' for immediate emission reductions and argues that large-scale policy changes, rather than individual corporate actions, are necessary to transition the global energy economy.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=0) Introduction and Guest Background
- [6:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=375) History of Climate Policy and COP28
- [12:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=728) The Reality of Emissions and RCP Scenarios
- [19:07](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=1147) Why the Climate Community Clings to Outdated Scenarios
- [24:55](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=1495) Technological Innovation and Good News
- [29:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=1756) Strategic Decarbonization for Industry
- [33:48](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=2028) Policy, Carbon Taxes, and Supply Chain Incentives
- [36:23](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/people-of-packaging/2023-12-07-232-talking-cop28-and-climate-science-with-you-know-a-climate-scientist-roger-pi#t=2183) Carbon vs. Local Environmental Trade-offs

## Topics

- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)
- [Sustainability & circular products](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/sustainability-and-circularity)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- COP28 (other)
- RCP 8.5 (other)
- RCP 4.5 (other)
- Substack (other)

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