# RTO or GTFO

- Show: [Oxide and Friends](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends)
- Published: 2024-09-26
- Length: 1h 39m
- Episode: 25
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-09-26-rto-or-gtfo
- Listen: https://share.transistor.fm/s/0e6bea7e

## Summary

Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal revisit their 2021 discussion on remote work, analyzing Amazon CEO Andy Jassy's recent return-to-office (RTO) mandate and Broadcom's stricter 5-day in-office policy. Guests Matt Amdur and Chris share firsthand accounts of the cultural and logistical friction caused by these mandates, including the breakdown of trust, 'coffee badging,' and the imposition of dress codes. The hosts argue that RTO is often driven by nostalgia, sunk costs in real estate, and managerial insecurity rather than productivity, noting that startups are increasingly leveraging remote flexibility to attract talent from these large corporations.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-09-26-rto-or-gtfo#t=0) Intro and Office Games: Z Ball and Chariot Races
- [9:39](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-09-26-rto-or-gtfo#t=579) Analyzing Andy Jassy's Amazon RTO Mandate
- [50:44](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-09-26-rto-or-gtfo#t=3044) Matt Amdur on Broadcom's 5-Day RTO and Dress Code
- [1:02:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-09-26-rto-or-gtfo#t=3728) Chris on Amazon's Internal Pushback and Exceptions
- [1:24:55](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-09-26-rto-or-gtfo#t=5095) The Future of Remote Work and Startups

## Topics

- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Hiring & workforce](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/hiring-and-workforce)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- Amazon (company)
- Andy Jassy (other)
- Broadcom (company)
- VMware (company)
- Sun Microsystems (company)
- NVIDIA (company)
- Oxide Computer Company (company)
- Webex (product)
- Z ball (other)

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