# All we have to fear is FUD itself

- Show: [Oxide and Friends](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends)
- Published: 2024-04-25
- Length: 1h 21m
- Episode: 12
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself
- Listen: https://share.transistor.fm/s/bd040547

## Summary

Hosts Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal discuss the recent controversy surrounding HashiCorp's accusations against the OpenTofu project, analyzing the incident as a classic example of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) used by entrenched incumbents against upstarts. They trace the history of FUD from IBM vs. Amdahl to Microsoft's tactics against open source, and examine the broader industry trend of 'source-available' licensing changes by companies like Redis and HashiCorp as a response to diminishing returns on mature open-source products. The conversation concludes with reflections on the sustainability of open-source business models and the inevitability of creative destruction in the software industry.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=0) Introduction and Context: OpenTofu and HashiCorp
- [3:04](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=184) The Allegations: Matt Asay's Article and the Cease and Desist
- [7:04](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=424) Analyzing the Code: Go Similarity vs. Misappropriation
- [14:53](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=893) Defining FUD: From IBM/Amdahl to Microsoft/Open Source
- [24:17](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=1457) Litigation as FUD: NetApp, BlueArc, and Oracle
- [38:56](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=2336) The Source-Available Trend: Redis, Valky, and HashiCorp
- [43:58](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=2638) The Cycle of Creative Destruction and Rent-Seeking in Software
- [1:02:57](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=3777) Future of Open Source: Sustainability and Business Models
- [1:17:02](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2024-04-25-all-we-have-to-fear-is-fud-itself#t=4622) Conclusion and Book Club Announcement

## Topics

- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Intellectual property](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/intellectual-property)
- [Marketing & brand](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/marketing-and-brand)
- [Growth, exits & acquisitions](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/growth-exits-and-acquisitions)
- [Open-source hardware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/open-source-hardware)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- HashiCorp (company)
- OpenTofu (product)
- Terraform (product)
- MongoDB (company)
- InfoWorld (company)
- Matt Asay (other)
- IBM (company)
- Amdahl (company)
- Microsoft (company)
- NetApp (company)
- BlueArc (company)
- Oracle (company)
- Redis (product)
- Valkey (product)
- VMware (company)
- Linux Foundation (company)

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