# Open Source Inside Baseball (with Stephen O'Grady)

- Show: [Oxide and Friends](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends)
- Published: 2022-10-25
- Length: 1h 11m
- Episode: 31
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady
- Listen: https://share.transistor.fm/s/bde1469b

## Summary

Stephen O'Grady, author of The Dead End and Software Paradox, joins Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal to discuss the trend of open source companies relicensing their software to proprietary models. O'Grady argues that venture capital investors are actively pushing this 'rug pull' strategy to create lock-in and protect valuations, citing examples like MongoDB, Confluent, and CockroachDB. The conversation highlights how this behavior erodes trust in the open source community and creates legal ambiguity through poorly defined licenses like the Commons Clause and BSL.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=0) Introduction: Monctoberfest and Baseball Banter
- [13:28](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=808) The Dead End: Open Source Relicensing Trend
- [19:04](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=1144) Investor Pressure and the Commons Clause
- [27:35](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=1655) Legal Ambiguity and License Proliferation
- [35:36](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=2136) The Pattern: Bait, Switch, and Lock-in
- [47:47](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=2867) Software Paradox and Commercial Value
- [59:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=3560) Replicating the Red Hat Model via Services
- [1:07:58](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-10-25-open-source-inside-baseball-with-stephen-ogrady#t=4078) Speaking to the Rising Generation of Developers

## Topics

- [Intellectual property](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/intellectual-property)
- [Fundraising & investors](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/fundraising)
- [Direct-to-consumer & e-commerce](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/direct-to-consumer)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- MongoDB (company)
- Confluent (company)
- CockroachDB (company)
- Akka (product)
- Kafka (product)
- Commons Clause (other)
- BSL (other)
- AGPL (other)
- MPL 2 (other)
- Linux (product)
- Red Hat (company)
- Amazon (company)
- Google (company)
- Meta (company)
- Oxide Computer Company (company)

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