# Integrating Hardware and Software Teams

- Show: [Oxide and Friends](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends)
- Published: 2022-07-12
- Length: 1h 43m
- Episode: 19
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams
- Listen: https://share.transistor.fm/s/44bc17c3

## Summary

Jon Masters, joined by engineers from Oxide Computer Company including Nathaneal Huffman, Matt Keeter, and Timon, discusses the systemic silos between hardware and software teams and the industry's failure to integrate them. They highlight specific technical challenges such as the perishable nature of Tachyon 100G PCB prepreg material, the complexity of DDR5 training, and the reliance on proprietary EDA tools like Altium and KiCad. The group advocates for open-source hardware tooling, breakout boards like the 'gimlet' and 'dimlet', and educational resources to bridge the knowledge gap and reduce the high cost of hardware errors.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=0) Introduction: Jon Masters and the Hardware-Software Silo
- [6:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=375) The Cost of Hardware Errors and PCB Material Constraints
- [15:06](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=906) DDR5 Training and Memory Bring-up Challenges
- [21:31](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=1291) Open Source EDA Tools: KiCad, Altium, and FPGA Tooling
- [36:37](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=2197) EE Curriculum and the Gap Between Theory and Practice
- [49:07](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=2947) Homebrew Fabrication: Sam Zeloof and Open Hardware
- [1:09:40](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=4180) System Management Mode (SMM) and Security Silos
- [1:26:07](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2022-07-12-integrating-hardware-and-software-teams#t=5167) University Fabs, Vintage Gaming, and High-Level Synthesis

## Topics

- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [EDA & CAD tools](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/eda-and-cad-tools)
- [Hiring & workforce](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/hiring-and-workforce)
- [Mechanical engineering](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/mechanical-engineering)
- [Intellectual property](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/intellectual-property)
- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Tachyon 100G (material)
- KiCad (tool)
- Altium Designer (tool)
- Eagle CAD (tool)
- RISC-V (chip)
- STM32 (chip)
- Intel Tofino (chip)
- XLS (tool)
- Chisel (tool)
- Bluespec (tool)
- Sam Zeloof (other)
- Jeri Elseworth (other)
- Ben Eater (other)
- Phil's Lab (other)

## Related episodes from other shows

- [Don't Turn It On, Don't Take It Apart](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2016-05-13-dont-turn-it-on-dont-take-it-apart) (The Amp Hour)
- [Code-Based PCB Design with AI: Inside atopile](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ontrack/2026-06-23-code-based-pcb-design-with-ai-inside-atopile) (OnTrack)
- [Thousands Of Dependencies](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2021-06-22-thousands-of-dependencies) (The Amp Hour)
- [Living Through Chipageddon](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2021-02-16-living-through-chipageddon) (The Amp Hour)
- [Olive-a The World](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-05-30-olive-a-the-world) (The Amp Hour)

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