# Mr. Leventhal, Come here I want to see you

- Show: [Oxide and Friends](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends)
- Published: 2021-05-04
- Length: 31m
- Episode: 1
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you
- Listen: https://share.transistor.fm/s/9cba1a23

## Summary

Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal of Oxide Computer Company discuss their engineering culture, specifically their 'journal club' approach to learning from formal verification papers like seL4 and their rejection of ASPEED BMC chips. They detail a hiring process that screens for past conflicts with management and reveal their unique 'equal pay' compensation model, which eliminates salary negotiation to foster teamwork. The conversation also covers the psychological challenges of hardware startups, the importance of learning from past system failures, and the risks of executive dishonesty.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you#t=0) Introduction: ASPEED BMC and Formal Verification
- [4:38](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you#t=278) Oxide's Journal Club and Learning from Formal Methods
- [11:41](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you#t=701) Engineering Culture: Avoiding Repetitive Mistakes
- [16:32](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you#t=992) Executive Dishonesty and the Optative Voice
- [17:04](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you#t=1024) Hiring Process: Screening for Management Conflicts
- [23:04](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2021-05-04-mr-leventhal-come-here-i-want-to-see-you#t=1384) Oxide's Equal Pay Compensation Model

## Topics

- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Pricing, margins & unit economics](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pricing-and-unit-economics)
- [Chips, FPGAs & semiconductors](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/chips-and-fpgas)
- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Oxide Computer Company (company)
- ASPEED (company)
- seL4 (other)
- L3 (other)
- Arm v8-m (other)
- Rust (other)
- C++ (other)
- Haskell (other)
- Next (company)
- Steve Jobs (other)
- Isaacson (other)

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- [Finding Hardware Flaws with Laura Abbott](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2022-05-23-finding-hardware-flaws-with-laura-abbott) (The Amp Hour)
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- [An Interview with the SparkFun Team - Efficacious Engineering Ensemble](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2013-08-07-an-interview-with-the-sparkfun-team-efficacious-engineering-ensemble) (The Amp Hour)

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