# AI, Autonomous Transformation, and Avoiding "Pilot Purgatory" with Microsoft's Brian Evergreen

- Show: [Manufacturing Happy Hour](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour)
- Published: 2022-12-13
- Length: 46m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian
- Listen: http://manufacturinghappyhour.com

## Summary

Brian Evergreen, Global Head of Autonomous AI Co-Innovation at Microsoft, defines autonomous AI as closed-loop systems that leverage domain expertise rather than just historical data, contrasting it with traditional machine learning. He explains how manufacturers can avoid 'pilot purgatory' by forming executive steering committees and emphasizes that autonomous AI allows engineers and operators to build AI directly without needing vast datasets. Evergreen shares examples of autonomous AI in CNC machine calibration and drone landing, highlighting its ability to operate offline and learn from human expertise faster than raw reinforcement learning.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian#t=0) Introduction and Background
- [5:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian#t=320) Defining Autonomous AI and the Human Future
- [15:36](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian#t=936) Risks and Opportunities of Autonomous AI
- [25:26](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian#t=1526) Avoiding Pilot Purgatory with Executive Alignment
- [28:52](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian#t=1732) Manufacturing Use Cases: CNC and Drones
- [36:25](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/manufacturing-happy-hour/2022-12-13-ai-autonomous-transformation-and-avoiding-pilot-purgatory-with-microsofts-brian#t=2185) Writing the Book and Key Insights

## Topics

- [AI & machine learning](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/ai-and-machine-learning)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- Microsoft (company)
- Accenture (company)
- Amazon (company)
- UL (company)
- Code to the Future (product)
- ATX West (other)
- Woodman Lodge (other)
- DeepMind (company)
- Bosch (company)
- Bell (company)

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