# The peril (and promise) of AI with Tristan Harris: Part 2

- Show: [How I Built This](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this)
- Published: 2024-02-29
- Length: 32m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2

## Summary

Tristan Harris, co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology, discusses the existential risks of generative AI, particularly the collapse of trust in digital evidence and the potential for deepfakes to undermine legal and social systems. He argues that current incentives drive a reckless race for capabilities and advocates for liability frameworks and authenticated messaging standards to slow development and ensure safety. Harris compares the current AI landscape to the nuclear age, highlighting the need for global cooperation, supply chain controls on advanced chips, and a shift from 'race to power' to 'race to safety'.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=0) Introduction: The Breakdown of Trust and AI Risks
- [2:55](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=175) Incentives, Liability, and the Failure of Section 230
- [6:12](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=372) Deepfakes, Authentication, and Secure Messaging
- [14:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=848) The Windows 95 Metaphor and Societal Upgrades
- [17:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=1040) The White House Executive Order and Federal Leverage
- [21:48](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=1308) Nuclear Analogy, Nvidia Chips, and Open Source Risks
- [26:56](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/how-i-built-this/2024-02-29-the-peril-and-promise-of-ai-with-tristan-harris-part-2#t=1616) Public Awareness, 'The Day After', and Moving Forward

## Topics

- [AI & machine learning](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/ai-and-machine-learning)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Center for Humane Technology (company)
- OpenAI (company)
- Sam Altman (other)
- Anthropic (company)
- Jack Clark (other)
- Audrey Tang (other)
- Apple (company)
- Google (company)
- ChatGPT 4 (product)
- Facebook (company)
- Llama 2 (product)
- Llama 3 (product)
- Mark Zuckerberg (other)
- Nvidia (company)
- Chips Act (other)
- Falcon (product)
- DuPont (company)

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- [The Open Weight Revolution with Simon Willison](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends/2026-07-31-the-open-weight-revolution-with-simon-willison) (Oxide and Friends)
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- [112. Overcoming Risks of AI Misuse](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2023-03-07-112-overcoming-risks-of-ai-misuse) (The Next Byte Podcast)
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