# 502: Chat, J'ai Peté!

- Show: [Embedded.fm](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm)
- Published: 2025-06-03
- Length: 1h 08m
- Episode: 502
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete
- Listen: https://embedded.fm/episodes/502

## Summary

Elecia White and Christopher White discuss the TV adaptation of Martha Wells' 'Murderbot Diaries' and the deceptive nature of Large Language Models (LLMs) like ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini. They highlight specific failures of AI, including lawyers citing non-existent legal precedents and GitHub Copilot agents generating endless, looping pull requests. The conversation also covers control systems, contrasting theoretical 'fancy math' like Kalman filters with empirical tuning, and mentions the Segway patent US7370713B1.

## Chapters

- [0:06](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete#t=6) Introduction: Murderbot TV Series Discussion
- [5:58](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete#t=358) AI Safety: Hallucinated Legal Precedents and Code Loops
- [18:22](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete#t=1102) The Dangers of Scale: Propaganda and Stolen Training Data
- [25:40](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete#t=1540) Business Model: High Costs and Unprofitable AI
- [37:37](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete#t=2257) Control Systems: Fancy Math vs. Empirical Tuning
- [50:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2025-06-03-502-chat-jai-pete#t=3016) Practical Control: Integrator Windup and Sensor Limits

## Topics

- [AI & machine learning](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/ai-and-machine-learning)
- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Debugging & failure analysis](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/debugging-and-failure-analysis)
- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)

## Most relevant to

makers and hobbyists

## Mentioned

- Murderbot (product)
- Martha Wells (other)
- ChatGPT (other)
- Claude (other)
- Gemini (other)
- GitHub Copilot (tool)
- US7370713B1 (other)
- Segway (product)
- Kalman filter (other)
- PID (other)
- MATLAB (tool)
- Simulink (tool)
- Dijkstra's algorithm (other)

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