# 453: Too Dumb to Quit

- Show: [Embedded.fm](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm)
- Published: 2023-06-22
- Length: 1h 08m
- Episode: 453
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit
- Listen: https://embedded.fm/episodes/453

## Summary

Nathan Jones, an active-duty Army officer and instructor at West Point, discusses his upcoming conference talks at Teardown 2023, including 'Make Your Own MCU Boards' and a workshop on the PIC microcontroller using HackerBox kits. He details his 'Oriented Programming in C' talk, explaining how to implement polymorphism and design patterns like the observer pattern using function pointers and build-time substitution. Jones also shares his experience running a workshop on STM32 development, highlighting the common pitfall of assuming attendees have pre-installed software, and offers advice on effective presentation techniques for embedded systems education.

## Chapters

- [0:06](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=6) Introduction: Nathan Jones and West Point
- [1:09](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=69) Upcoming Teardown 2023 Talks: MCU Boards and PICs
- [9:34](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=574) Conference Speaking Experience and Workshop Failures
- [14:38](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=878) Oriented Programming in C: Polymorphism and Design Patterns
- [31:45](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=1905) Making Your Own MCU Boards: STM32 and PIC
- [36:23](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=2183) Presentation Philosophy and Pedagogy
- [46:43](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-06-22-453-too-dumb-to-quit#t=2803) Career Advice: Finding the Right Job and Culture

## Topics

- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Microcontrollers & dev platforms](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/microcontrollers-and-platforms)
- [Careers & education](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/engineering-careers-and-education)
- [PCB design & layout](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pcb-design)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- HackerBox (product)
- PIC (chip)
- STM32 (chip)
- Blue Pill (product)
- KiCad (tool)
- EAGLE (tool)
- CubeMX (tool)
- JLC (company)

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