# 440: Condemned to Being Perfect

- Show: [Embedded.fm](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm)
- Published: 2023-01-13
- Length: 1h 23m
- Episode: 440
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect
- Listen: https://embedded.fm/episodes/440

## Summary

Elecia White and Chris White host a crossover episode with Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni of the Agile Embedded podcast to debate the application of Agile principles to embedded systems. The group discusses redefining Agile as 'risk management through feedback loops' rather than rigid Scrum, and explores the challenges of scaling these practices in large enterprises versus small teams. They also tackle specific technical debates, including the role of unit testing, the definition of Minimum Viable Products (MVPs) for hardware, and the necessity of documentation in regulated industries like medical devices.

## Chapters

- [0:06](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect#t=6) Introduction and Defining Agile
- [3:40](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect#t=220) Agile vs. Scrum and Scaling Challenges
- [15:36](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect#t=936) Managing Customer Uncertainty and Culture
- [31:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect#t=1868) Prototype vs. Production Code and MVPs
- [55:34](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect#t=3334) Unit Testing and CI/CD Pitfalls
- [1:05:51](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2023-01-13-440-condemned-to-being-perfect#t=3951) Documentation and Selling Agile to Managers

## Topics

- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Validation & product-market fit](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/validation-and-product-market-fit)
- [Debugging & failure analysis](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/debugging-and-failure-analysis)

## Most relevant to

established companies

## Mentioned

- Agile Embedded podcast (other)
- Skunk Works (other)
- Lockheed (company)
- SR-71 (product)
- SAFe (other)
- FDA (other)
- Leapfrog (company)
- Fitbit (company)
- Cisco (company)
- Logical Elegance (company)
- O'Reilly (other)
- Embedded.fm (other)

## Related episodes from other shows

- [Crossover with Elecia White and Christopher White of Embedded](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2023-01-20-crossover-with-elecia-white-and-christopher-white-of-embedded) (The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast)
- [Does DevOps Make Sense for Embedded Systems?](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2021-01-06-does-devops-make-sense-for-embedded-systems) (The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast)
- [2024 christmas special](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2024-12-29-2024-christmas-special) (The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast)
- [Agile in Small Teams](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2021-10-26-agile-in-small-teams) (The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast)
- [Christmas Special](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-pragmatic-embedded-podcast/2021-12-22-christmas-special) (The Pragmatic Embedded Podcast)

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