# 427: No Fisticuffs or Casting of Spells

- Show: [Embedded.fm](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm)
- Published: 2022-09-15
- Length: 1h 08m
- Episode: 427
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells
- Listen: https://embedded.fm/episodes/427

## Summary

Liz Wharton, VP of Operations at Scythe.io, discusses the intersection of cybersecurity, law, and public policy, emphasizing her advocacy for privacy by design and de-identification by default. She critiques the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) for stifling security research and explains how Scythe’s adversary emulation platform helps organizations bridge the gap between red and blue teams. Wharton also highlights her work with the Rural Tech Fund to reduce the digital divide in underserved communities through education and access to technology.

## Chapters

- [0:06](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=6) Introduction: Liz Wharton and Scythe.io
- [5:12](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=312) Critique of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA)
- [14:34](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=874) Scythe.io: Adversary Emulation and Red/Blue Team Collaboration
- [20:19](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=1219) Responsible Disclosure and Bug Bounties
- [29:18](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=1758) Blue Team Challenges and Liability
- [44:24](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=2664) Rural Tech Fund and Digital Divide
- [58:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-09-15-427-no-fisticuffs-or-casting-of-spells#t=3480) Privacy Legislation and Privacy by Design

## Topics

- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)
- [Starting a product company](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/starting-a-company)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Scythe.io (company)
- Rural Tech Fund (company)
- Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (other)
- CFAA (other)
- disclose.io (company)
- Luta Security (company)
- Katie Moussouris (other)
- Hack the Pentagon (other)
- Patreon (company)
- City of Atlanta (company)
- Cybrary (other)
- CISA (other)
- SEC (other)
- FTC (other)
- BIPA (other)
- Instagram (company)
- Facebook (company)
- Twitter (company)
- DefCon (other)

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