# 415: Rolling Computers

- Show: [Embedded.fm](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm)
- Published: 2022-06-02
- Length: 58m
- Episode: 415
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers
- Listen: https://embedded.fm/episodes/415

## Summary

Benny Meisels, Lead Solution Architect at Cymotive, discusses the evolving security landscape of modern vehicles, which he describes as 'rolling computers.' He explains how the shift from isolated ECUs to connected systems with over-the-air updates creates new attack surfaces, particularly regarding keyless entry vulnerabilities like relay attacks and UWB distance reduction. Meisels emphasizes the need for end-to-end threat modeling across the complex supply chain of Tier 1, 2, and 3 suppliers, and highlights tools like ASRG, ICSim, and Car in a Box for learning automotive security.

## Chapters

- [0:06](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=6) Introduction: Benny Meisels and Cymotive
- [1:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=75) Lightning Round: CAN Bus, C++, and Self-Driving Cars
- [3:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=195) Security as a Never-Ending Process and Threat Models
- [5:46](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=346) Motivations for Hacking Cars: Subscriptions and Theft
- [11:12](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=672) The Automotive Supply Chain: Tier 1s and Over-the-Air Updates
- [15:49](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=949) Keyless Entry Vulnerabilities: Relay Attacks and UWB
- [22:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=1336) End-to-End Security: ECUs, Servers, and Mental Models
- [30:43](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=1843) Vehicle Network Architecture: CAN XL, Ethernet, and 5G
- [36:58](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=2218) Resources for Learning Automotive Security: ASRG and ICSim
- [41:01](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/embedded-fm/2022-06-02-415-rolling-computers#t=2461) Right-to-Repair, Bricking, and Future Security Challenges

## Topics

- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)
- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)
- [Microcontrollers & dev platforms](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/microcontrollers-and-platforms)
- [Wireless & RF](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/wireless-and-rf)
- [Manufacturing partners & offshoring](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/manufacturing-partners)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Cymotive (company)
- ASRG (other)
- ICSim (tool)
- Car in a Box (product)
- Ghost Peak (other)
- NXP (company)
- Tesla (company)
- Bosch (company)
- Framework (company)
- John Deere (company)
- Honda (company)

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- [#397.8 - An Interview with Chris Gerlinsky](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-amp-hour/2018-06-25-397-8-an-interview-with-chris-gerlinsky) (The Amp Hour)
- [054 - It's A Calibration, Not An Update!](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/unnamed-reverse-engineering-podcast/2022-02-11-054-its-a-calibration-not-an-update) (Unnamed Reverse Engineering Podcast)
- [202. How Will Your Car Get Hacked?](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/the-next-byte-podcast/2024-11-26-202-how-will-your-car-get-hacked) (The Next Byte Podcast)
- [IoT Security Trends and What to Expect in 2021 | Trend Micro's Greg Young](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/iot-for-all-podcast/2021-02-15-iot-security-trends-and-what-to-expect-in-2021-trend-micros-greg-young) (IoT For All Podcast)

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