# Can We Get Serious About Cybersecurity Now?

- Show: [EE Times Current](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current)
- Published: 2021-06-11
- Length: 44m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now
- Listen: https://www.eetimes.com/podcasts/eetoa-wb-139/

## Summary

Damon Small, a technical director at the cybersecurity firm NCC Group, discusses the Colonial Pipeline ransomware attack and the broader implications for critical infrastructure security. He explains how the breach of a billing IT system, rather than operational technology (OT), forced a shutdown due to federal regulations requiring a bill of lading, highlighting the dangerous convergence of IT and OT. Small argues that cybersecurity must be viewed as a business enabler rather than a cost center and calls for stricter government regulation to compel organizations to protect their information assets.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=0) Introduction: EE Times Weekly Briefing and Colonial Pipeline Context
- [6:48](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=408) Damon Small on the Colonial Pipeline Hack and IT vs. OT Vulnerabilities
- [9:33](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=573) Redefining Critical Infrastructure: Billing Systems and Federal Regulations
- [15:14](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=914) The Convergence of IT and OT in Smart Meters and Traffic Control
- [25:02](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=1502) Security as a Business Enabler vs. Cost Center and the Target Example
- [36:23](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=2183) The Rise of Malware-as-a-Service (Darkside, REvil) and Organized Crime
- [42:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/ee-times-current/2021-06-11-can-we-get-serious-about-cybersecurity-now#t=2536) Post-Interview: JBS Foods Attack, Bitcoin Ransom Recovery, and Darkside Shutdown

## Topics

- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- NCC Group (company)
- Colonial Pipeline (company)
- Darkside (other)
- JBS Foods (company)
- REvil (other)
- Target (company)
- Siemens Digital Industries Software (company)
- IBM (company)
- GlobalFoundries (company)
- TSMC (company)

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