# Heavy duty decarbonization

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2024-05-30
- Length: 39m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization

## Summary

Andy Lubershane, partner and head of research at Energy Impact Partners, explains why electrification hits physical limits in heavy transport due to battery energy density and grid infrastructure constraints. He argues that while battery swapping offers a partial solution for heavy-duty trucks, aviation and shipping will likely rely on biofuels and electrofuels to avoid disrupting existing hub infrastructure. The discussion highlights the specific challenges of upgrading ports and airports, using the Port of Long Beach as a case study for grid strain.

## Chapters

- [0:01](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=1) Introduction: Limits of Electrification for Heavy Transport
- [5:11](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=311) Battery Density and Infrastructure Constraints
- [14:50](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=890) The Port of Long Beach Grid Challenge
- [18:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=1100) Aviation and Shipping: Why Batteries Fail
- [23:08](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=1388) Battery Swapping and Partial Electrification
- [28:25](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=1705) Biofuels and the Feedstock Limit
- [33:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=1980) Hydrogen and Electrofuels as the Final Step
- [36:54](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2024-05-30-heavy-duty-decarbonization#t=2214) The Critical Role of Hub Infrastructure

## Topics

- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)
- [Batteries & low-power design](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/batteries-and-low-power)
- [Logistics & fulfilment](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/logistics-and-fulfillment)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- Energy Impact Partners (company)
- Port of Long Beach (company)
- Revoy (company)
- Range (company)
- TeraJoule (company)
- Bloom Energy (company)
- Energy Hub (company)
- Southern California Edison (company)
- Neo (company)
- Carbon Direct (company)
- Delta Airlines (company)

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