# The good and bad of carbon capture

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2023-07-20
- Length: 42m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture

## Summary

Dr. Emily Grubert, an associate professor of sustainable energy policy at the University of Notre Dame, outlines a four-category framework for carbon capture and storage (CCS) to clarify its role in the energy transition. She distinguishes between fossil fuel CCS, mitigative CCS for hard-to-abate industrial processes like cement, compensatory carbon dioxide removal (CDR) for offsets, and drawdown CDR for legacy emissions. Grubert argues that prioritizing drawdown and mitigative CCS is essential to avoid locking in fossil infrastructure and to ensure that limited resources like land and energy are used effectively for net-negative goals.

## Chapters

- [0:02](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=2) Introduction: The controversy and scope of CCS
- [6:38](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=398) Defining CCS: Umbrella term vs. specific technologies
- [9:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=540) Category 1: Fossil CCS and lifespan extension
- [12:22](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=742) Category 2: Mitigative CCS for cement and steel
- [16:29](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=989) Category 3: Compensatory carbon dioxide removal
- [19:39](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=1179) Category 4: Drawdown CDR and net negative goals
- [29:36](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=1776) Prioritization and resource constraints of CDR
- [34:25](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=2065) Infrastructure planning: Pipelines and storage
- [38:26](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=2306) Utilization: Synthetic fuels and double counting
- [40:42](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-07-20-the-good-and-bad-of-carbon-capture#t=2442) Final prioritization: Minimizing CCS where possible

## Topics

- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Industrial & consumer product design](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/industrial-design)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- IPCC (other)
- Notre Dame (other)
- Energy Hub (company)
- Bloom Energy (company)

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