# The carbon market’s quality problem

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2023-06-08
- Length: 48m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-06-08-the-carbon-markets-quality-problem

## Summary

Allister Furey, co-founder and CEO of Sylvera, discusses the quality crisis in the voluntary carbon market, citing recent scandals involving Verra and Delta Air Lines. He explains how the market is transitioning from a 'storytelling' phase to one driven by rigorous net-zero accounting, requiring verification of additionality, permanence, and accurate carbon accounting. Furey highlights the massive price disparity between low-quality avoidance credits and expensive engineered removals, arguing that high prices do not guarantee quality and that transparency is essential to prevent the market from collapsing again.

## Chapters

- [1:41](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-06-08-the-carbon-markets-quality-problem#t=101) Introduction and Market History
- [5:54](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-06-08-the-carbon-markets-quality-problem#t=354) The Evolution of Carbon Markets
- [15:37](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-06-08-the-carbon-markets-quality-problem#t=937) Market Size and Pricing Dynamics
- [29:53](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-06-08-the-carbon-markets-quality-problem#t=1793) Defining Quality and Additionality
- [36:23](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-06-08-the-carbon-markets-quality-problem#t=2183) Measurement, Leakage, and Future Value Chain

## Topics

- [Validation & product-market fit](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/validation-and-product-market-fit)
- [Pricing, margins & unit economics](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pricing-and-unit-economics)
- [Quality & yield](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/quality-and-yield)
- [Sustainability & circular products](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/sustainability-and-circularity)

## Most relevant to

companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- Sylvera (company)
- Verra (company)
- Delta Air Lines (company)
- Gold Standard (company)
- CBX (company)
- Charm Industrial (company)
- Stripe (company)
- Microsoft (company)

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