# Unpacking EPA’s newly proposed power emissions rule

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2023-05-18
- Length: 54m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule

## Summary

John Larsen, a partner at the Rhodium Group, analyzes the Biden administration's newly proposed EPA power plant emissions rules, which mandate 90% carbon capture or hydrogen co-firing for large new and existing gas plants by the mid-2030s. Larsen explains that the rule’s structure, which exempts low-capacity-factor peaker plants, likely incentivizes existing gas plants to reduce their capacity factors rather than invest in expensive carbon capture technology (CCS) or hydrogen infrastructure. The discussion covers the legal challenges expected from the DC Circuit and Supreme Court, the role of state implementation plans, and how the Inflation Reduction Act’s tax credits interact with these regulatory 'sticks' to shape market outcomes.

## Chapters

- [1:42](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=102) Introduction: The Three Options for Power Plants
- [6:39](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=399) Historical Context: From Clean Power Plan to West Virginia v. EPA
- [13:48](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=828) Details of the Proposed Rule: New vs. Existing Sources
- [21:09](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=1269) Existing Coal and Gas Plants: Retirements and Compliance Paths
- [31:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=1876) The Legal and Procedural Road Ahead
- [36:10](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=2170) Market Reaction: Retirements vs. Carbon Capture Investment
- [45:12](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=2712) Decarbonization Outcomes and Technology Uncertainty
- [52:05](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-05-18-unpacking-epas-newly-proposed-power-emissions-rule#t=3125) Signposts to Watch: NetPower, Retirements, and State Plans

## Topics

- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)
- [Industrial & consumer product design](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/industrial-design)

## Most relevant to

large enterprises

## Mentioned

- EPA (company)
- Rhodium Group (company)
- Inflation Reduction Act (other)
- Clean Power Plan (other)
- West Virginia v. EPA (other)
- NetPower (company)
- EnergyHub (company)

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