# The journey to monetizing DERs

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2023-01-26
- Length: 46m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-01-26-the-journey-to-monetizing-ders

## Summary

Mathew Sachs, SVP at CPower, discusses the current state and future of monetizing distributed energy resources (DERs) like EV chargers, thermostats, and batteries. He explains that while technology for aggregation is mature, regulatory hurdles like FERC Order 2222 implementation and static utility interconnection rules remain significant barriers. Sachs highlights V1G as an immediate solution for EV grid stress and predicts EVs will comprise 20-25% of grid services by 2030.

## Chapters

- [0:02](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-01-26-the-journey-to-monetizing-ders#t=2) Introduction and DER Definitions
- [9:19](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-01-26-the-journey-to-monetizing-ders#t=559) The Aggregation Stack and Economics
- [18:26](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-01-26-the-journey-to-monetizing-ders#t=1106) Regulatory Barriers and FERC Order 2222
- [35:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-01-26-the-journey-to-monetizing-ders#t=2120) EVs, V1G, and V2G Potential
- [40:41](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2023-01-26-the-journey-to-monetizing-ders#t=2441) Market Growth and Future Outlook

## Topics

- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Connected products & IoT](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/connected-products-and-iot)
- [Pricing, margins & unit economics](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/pricing-and-unit-economics)
- [Scaling production](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/scaling-production)
- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)

## Most relevant to

companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- CPower (company)
- Energy Hub (company)
- FERC Order 2222 (other)
- FERC Order 745 (other)
- NYISO (other)
- CAISO (other)
- PJM (other)
- Bloom Energy (company)

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