# What the grid can learn from the internet

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2022-03-11
- Length: 1h 00m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet

## Summary

Astrid Atkinson, founder and CEO of Camus Energy and former senior Google engineer, explains how the electricity grid can adopt the distributed computing architectures of the internet to manage the explosion of distributed energy resources (DERs). She details the critical gap in utility data visibility, noting that while Silicon Valley handles billions of data points daily, utilities often lack real-time visibility into customer-side assets like solar panels and EVs. Atkinson highlights the role of FERC Order 2222 in enabling DER aggregation and praises electric co-ops like Holy Cross Energy and Kit Carson Electric Cooperative for their agility in decarbonization compared to large investor-owned utilities.

## Chapters

- [0:07](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=7) Introduction: The Grid Edge and Distributed Energy Resources
- [5:58](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=358) The Utility Mindset Shift: From Meters to Customers
- [13:32](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=812) Challenges of High DER Penetration: Hawaii and Grid Stability
- [17:21](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=1041) Data Scale: Comparing Utility Systems to Google's Infrastructure
- [26:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=1560) The Role of Electric Co-ops in Decarbonization
- [32:28](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=1948) Incentives, FERC Order 2222, and Market Structures
- [50:35](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=3035) Data Privacy, Security, and Sharing Mechanisms
- [55:37](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-03-11-what-the-grid-can-learn-from-the-internet#t=3337) Driving Change Through Cross-Industry Partnerships

## Topics

- [Connected products & IoT](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/connected-products-and-iot)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Scaling production](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/scaling-production)
- [Security & privacy](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/security-and-privacy)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Camus Energy (company)
- Google (company)
- Holy Cross Energy (company)
- Kit Carson Electric Cooperative (company)
- FERC Order 2222 (other)
- Tesla (company)
- ChargePoint (company)
- PG&E (company)
- Comet (company)
- Conet (company)
- EnergyHub (company)
- Bloom Energy (company)
- Nextracker (company)
- Antenna Group (company)
- Actuate (company)
- Exxon (company)
- Facebook (company)
- Uber (company)
- SpaceX (company)

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