# Inside the Energy Department's loan deal to back hydrogen

- Show: [Catalyst](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst)
- Published: 2022-01-10
- Length: 48m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen

## Summary

Rob Hanson, CEO and co-founder of Monolith, and Jigar Shah, Director of the DOE’s Loan Programs Office, discuss the $1 billion conditional loan guarantee for Monolith’s methane pyrolysis plant in Nebraska. They explain how this deal addresses the 'valley of death' for first-of-a-kind climate tech by providing validation that unlocks commercial debt, contrasting the rigorous, failure-focused due diligence of infrastructure finance with the equity-driven mindset of venture capital. The conversation highlights the technical and financial challenges of scaling methane pyrolysis to produce clean hydrogen and carbon black, noting that while technology risks are retired, market and operational risks remain significant barriers for commercial banks. Shah emphasizes that the LPO’s role is to de-risk these complex projects so that subsequent plants can be financed by traditional capital markets, while Hanson details the decade-long journey of securing private equity and strategic partners like SK Group and NextEra Energy to reach this milestone.

## Chapters

- [0:02](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=2) Introduction: The Valley of Death for First-of-a-Kind Climate Tech
- [6:39](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=399) Monolith’s Methane Pyrolysis Technology and Carbon Black Market
- [13:05](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=785) Rob Hanson’s Decade-Long Journey to Commercial Scale
- [17:13](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=1033) Jigar Shah’s Mandate and the Role of the Loan Programs Office
- [24:01](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=1441) Financing the $1 Billion Plant: Equity vs. Infrastructure Debt
- [35:11](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=2111) Lessons for Founders: Government Support and Technical Moats
- [39:46](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/catalyst/2022-01-10-inside-the-energy-departments-loan-deal-to-back-hydrogen#t=2386) Scaling to Plant Number 2 and Future DOE Announcements

## Topics

- [Energy & climate tech](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/energy-and-climate-tech)
- [Fundraising & investors](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/fundraising)
- [Manufacturing partners & offshoring](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/manufacturing-partners)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Materials & manufacturing processes](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/materials-and-processes)

## Most relevant to

early-stage companies

## Mentioned

- Monolith (company)
- U.S. Department of Energy (company)
- Loan Programs Office (company)
- Methane Pyrolysis (other)
- Carbon Black (product)
- Goodyear (company)
- SK Group (company)
- NextEra Energy (company)
- Ochre Solutions (company)
- Mines Paris Tech (company)
- Warburg Pincus (company)
- Asimuth Capital (company)
- Cornell Capital (company)
- Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (company)
- Energy Hub (company)
- Bloom Energy (company)
- Atmos Financial (company)
- Antenna Group (company)

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