# The Abundance Stack

- Show: [Built 2 Scale](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale)
- Published: 2026-05-25
- Length: 51m
- Page: https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack
- Listen: https://b2spod.captivate.fm

## Summary

Matt Perrott, founder of construction company W and accelerator WVC, and Scott Wilcox, founder of software company Bill Pass, discuss the convergence of AI, robotics, and physical labor. They propose a 'world model' for business where AI acts as an intelligence layer, eliminating traditional management in favor of 'player-coach' roles. Perrott outlines a national strategy for Australia to solve the housing crisis by leveraging robotics, energy, and compute, while Wilcox shares insights on using AI coding tools like Codex Goals for autonomous task completion.

## Chapters

- [0:00](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=0) Introduction and Personal Updates
- [4:11](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=251) Jack Dorsey's Org Structure and the World Model
- [9:43](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=583) Building the Business World Model with AI Cameras
- [13:15](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=795) Knowledge Debt and the Palantir Model
- [18:50](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=1130) Solving Australia's Housing Crisis with Robotics
- [27:58](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=1678) Tradesmen as Skills Files and Data Capture
- [36:30](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=2190) The Future of Trades and Hackathon Proposal
- [41:16](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=2476) Autonomous AI Agents and Codex Goals
- [48:20](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/podcast/built-2-scale/2026-05-25-the-abundance-stack#t=2900) The Scotty Algorithm and Conclusion

## Topics

- [AI & machine learning](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/ai-and-machine-learning)
- [Leadership, teams & culture](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/leadership-and-culture)
- [Policy, trade & tariffs](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/policy-trade-and-tariffs)
- [Embedded firmware](https://hardwarepodcasts.com/topic/embedded-firmware)

## Most relevant to

companies scaling up

## Mentioned

- Jack Dorsey (other)
- Palantir (company)
- Foundry (product)
- Nvidia (company)
- Meta (company)
- Anthropic (company)
- Andre Karpathy (other)
- Tobi Lutke (other)
- OpenAI (company)
- Codex (product)
- Tesla (company)
- Unitree (company)
- Figure (company)
- WVC (company)
- Abundance.inc (company)
- Bill Pass (company)
- Groq (company)
- GitHub (company)
- ChatGPT (product)
- Aaron (other)

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